F4 tech/racing

hey steve i know that you came out here to make things more fair which is great but how do u really compete with b18 gsr out there that has a lot more power. im in the process of changing my motor to a slower motor and the motor that i had in it was slower than the 46. then your letting that crx keep a b18 in his car without the vtec head. i dont mean to bitch but it doesnt make any sense to me. looking forward racing with you again sometime soon

                        #27 shawn kasten

well the 46 isnt racing the black integra any more. the green integra is a stock b17a1. your car was keeping up with the type R integra, i dont think its unfair for you to change your setup. im sure it will still be fast when you come back. like i said in the first post some of the current changes are on a competitive level for now. if anything becomes an issue it will change. im sure bigger changes are coming for next year. im sorry for making people have to change motors but you when it comes down to it you guys are the ones who changed them in the first place. better not be any integra pistons in your new motor or you will be changing it again i cant wait to race with you guys again i hope i can get a chance to soon.

no theres no integra pistons in there i found a motor online for 500 so im in the process of putting it in thats why i wasnt at the last race. let me know if u want to run my older civic so we can get the car count up.

hmm its tempting maybe i can come check it out some time? i still have to buy a suit and gloves too. my biggest problem is getting a car there. i have no truck as of now.

Vtec?  i think a mini me or a truly stock y8 should be allowed.
if he gets to keep his b18 ls swap. that means i can do that or NO i shouldnt waste my time? this is where the class is getting ruined. you allow him to run that, and laugh at others for buidling 12:1 compression motors and kick there points... and where are you gonna find a d16a6 motor these days? it twenty years old and everyone that has one keeps it cuz if it aint broken its a great block.
 
 
"it aint cheatin' its' competin"
 

i think you are missing the point some what. its on a competitive basis FOR NOW. besides a b18a/b in stock form makes 140hp? a stock d16 makes 130? an ls-vtec makes 180ish? its alot easier, cheaper and faster for him to do a head swap than a whole motor swap. you want car count dont you? if he is constantly winning with a stock ls then it will have to come out. kasten had about a month to change his set up but didnt. he chose to lose those points. if you need help finding an a6 or equivalent let me know.

Well, first off, I gotta say Im glad we are finally getting tech'd like we should be. This is a stock class, and it needs to be regulated... Theres a few people that are trying way to hard to interpret the rules to make them more cheater friendly.

Secondly, there is no need for a claimer in our class. In my eyes that would just scare off potential competitors. Hell, our shell cost us $300 alone, not to mention all the rollbar tubing, safety equipment, motor, trans, countless hours of work...

Third, I realize this is not your problem and cannot do anything about it, but we do need to discuss the track and our schedule... It is ridiculous that we are always last to race with the worst track conditions. We've been told we run last because we rut the track with our skinny tires. But seriously, how much damage can 6-12 cars do in like 10 laps...? Not to mention its no secret the fans dont come out to watch us, if you put us before the main feature of the night(sprints...) then people would be forced to watch us. Possibly get intrigued about them and biuld their own car... It would be nice to have your support when we talk to the owner. Which btw everybody, we NEED to do...

Fourth, payout.... I understand where youre coming from, but, I disagree with you. Main reason our payout is so low is because were the only class out there without a class sponsor... Which further enhances our feelings like were not even wanted there. Its almost a neccesity to have atleast one person with you when you bring a car to race. So theres $50 in pit passes, so you have to win just to break even, and you cant even call that even... Higher payouts would def keep people comin back, especially if they live like an hour away... I went to Jefferson speedway recently, they have a $55 MINIMUM payout and $150 to win. IDK about you, but that sounds more appealing to me...

Just a few of my gripes, but I appreciate that youre making the effort to make our class better.

Karl

i agree with the claim stuff. i hated it at lake geneva. jason conrad tried to claim my car and i wasnt to happy about it. however it is a good way to keep you from spending money on your cars. 
i got interested in racing bics at lake geneva from watching them race. im sure a lot of people get into it that way so i agree with you guys that you should run earlier in the program. not up to me though. sorry.
yes higher payouts would keep people coming for sure. but remember the track needs to make some money to survive. i would hate to lose wilmot like lake geneva.  in the end i think if everyone works together things will get alot better.
p.s. change that focus central intake

You'd hate to see Wilmot go like Lake Geneva? It's on its way. Ever since a few years ago when pit passes went from 8 per person to 12, and now they're what, 20 on sprint nights? No wonder there's fewer people in the stands. I understand the track has to make money to survive. They shouldn't have wasted money buying new clay and shitting the track up so bad this year. It was a little bumpy last year, but nowhere near this year. After this Saturday I won't be pumping any more money into pit passes, and there will be 1 less car. I was out there to have fun, but it's pretty hard to do when you're getting to the pits at around 3pm just to get a parking spot, then not running the feature till midnight. Makes for LONG days at the track. As well as fixing the car. Last year I broke a couple things, no big deal. It's racing. This year it's been getting fixed after every race, and not minor stuff either. I can't afford even pick n pull anymore, much less the time. Maybe it's just me griping. In either case, I gave Wilmot a shot this year. Didn't quite work out for me.

yeah im really sad to see you go. youre one of the cleanest drivers out there from what i could see in the short time i watched. i wish you would stay because im hoping things get better.

Well thank you for noticing. I do try to keep it clean, usually it works hahaha

a equivalent would be cheating. correct???? as i was told before. so if he can run a ls. i believe a y8 should be fine its right around 140 hp. does he receive points with a ls though is the ? honestly.

This would be one of the reasons I quit wilmot......exactly what Jake and Karl said. And Karl, I could not have said that better myself. And Jake, I only won 3 heats and 1 feature last year, plus stayed consistant=championship. Review last season and all of you will see that Booker won most races, not all, most. lastly, Im tired of racing dirt....its like a game of survival, whos ever shit stays together the best for the nite is gonna win. Steve, if you remember from LGR, there was atleast 6 to 10 cars capable of winning the feature every single nite, it was just who could out drive who.....thats how this class needs to go back to being and if/when it does I will have no problem coming back.

a equivalent would be cheating. correct???? as i was told before. so if he can run a ls. i believe a y8 should be fine its right around 140 hp. does he receive points with a ls though is the ? honestly.

-1fastcrx

its up to todd about the points. if you have a stock d series in your car more than likely it will be ok. mini me swaps are really pushing your luck. once again everything is up to todd.

This would be one of the reasons I quit wilmot......exactly what Jake and Karl said. And Karl, I could not have said that better myself. And Jake, I only won 3 heats and 1 feature last year, plus stayed consistant=championship. Review last season and all of you will see that Booker won most races, not all, most. lastly, Im tired of racing dirt....its like a game of survival, whos ever shit stays together the best for the nite is gonna win. Steve, if you remember from LGR, there was atleast 6 to 10 cars capable of winning the feature every single nite, it was just who could out drive who.....thats how this class needs to go back to being and if/when it does I will have no problem coming back.

-09champ

if people didnt mess with their cars so much maybe they would stay together better. my cars were basicly stock at lgr. i never had one mechanical failure other than overheating once. you guys should spend more time making sure your cars run right and suspension parts are good lol. either way you should come back to race for fun we need more cars

Okay well to let you guys know i took a stand and talked to steve sinclair after friday nights race, for the whole class, he understands that our cars dont handle the bumps and crap and hes going to try and get us worked into the schedule earlier, its not all his fault, the other classes have alot of cautions and get off schedule and push us back. We get run last because we are normally the quickest and quitest class. And the only way to get payout higher is to increase the car count, but after talking to steve on friday he apoligized and understands that we are just as much racers as everyone else and he is really going to do the best to make it better. as of track conditions you got to go to the fair board and talk to them because steve sinclair has no say in it at all. The only issue with this class is the aggressive driving, which is now going to be watched more carfully and taken more seriously. but im glad to be outta this class after this season. LGR was a very well run show and respected track, wilmot is nothing like it.

Well thats the shit that really sucks. We got pricks like that 17 show up and give us all a bad name. And inexperienced drivers like that guy that blew up last week, had he pulled to the infield instead of coasting down the entire front straight, it couldve been cleaned up so we can finish our race. Id almost say we need to have our own little F4 drivers meeting everynight averytime a new guy shows up so we can let them know how things go at wilmot.

I totally agree. 17 car gave us a bad name. Yeah, there was some beating and banging 2 weeks ago. It happens. Shit look at the other classes. Mods got tore up this last week, Homan in the street stocks got black flagged becuase there was too much sheet metal falling off his car from being wrecked under yellow. Rough driving is out there, though not always due to drivers. Track conditions play a part sometimes. Granted 2 weeks ago it was all driver error. All I know is I hope to stay clean Saturday. I can't afford to worry about trashing someone else's car.

haha street stocks started 17 cars i think? there was 5 left at the checkered lol. shit happens. some contact is just part of racing. it you guys are having problems with certain people just let an official know. 17p did get a talkin to last week and he did improve.