wilmot fearless fours

Got any pics?

at this tracki ventured to a track 2 hours away and the tech and track workers actually came and talked to me about the other cars how they do, 

-1fastcrx

what does that mean?  They were all cheated up out there? 

they actually care about the class. honestly i think todd is the only one that cares about our class @ wilmot, he will stay late and actually talk about the class, help you get to track, show you tips. other peopel you ask a ? like i gotta question about f4's..... they walk away. idk, think about it now though crystal is goin to streets, dawson is.we will have five cars next year at this rate.we need to make a way to draw more cars in. an we also need maybe do like other tracks you run vtec or zetec for you ford guys ;) weight gets added. thats how other tracks do it ot keep it fair. if we ban vtec or zetec like rockford the clas will be boring itll be all old hondas that are slow and eclipses nissans and mazdas. these cars are too cheated up. its no longer entry level and thats what everyone i talk to at tracks say you race at wilmot must have 5grand into your motor, those cars are fast up there. we either need a pro four class (bandit, mod4...) or we need  a pure stock class, stock honda is stock honda so since the rules dont say it we should be able to run a h22 that is stock. the only rules for motors 
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         Engines: complete "stock" motor. NO mods, may remove excess wiring sensors blah blah blah
all these illegal cars are really legal the rules are not thorough enough. even though the escort was stock and won. but supposedly everyone said the teggy peddle his car the whole race.

i do realize its all for fun. but wouldnt everyone else wanna atleast go to the track hoping that you might actually win tonight instead of building a car for a month straight hoping you finish top five. i trust my driving but eventually you need more than the ability to put the foot to the floor and never let off

des massive speed program ecu's? say a pm6 or pm4 or 5

Zetec is just a type of motor. Just a name... It doesnt have anything to do with V-tec.

"zetec" is the just name of the engine series, an extension of their original "zeta" designation from 1987.  Really well before Honda even was utilizing VTEC.  It is not an acronym of anykind - it doesnt stand for anything other that "fuckin badass".

The "Zetec" family of engines DO NOT use any kind of variable valve/cam timing like Honda's VTEC.  And it will still eat them alive like the sushi it is.

wrong. there are zetec trim levels available with variable valve timing, superchargers... all of which where designed by cosworth. get on the level man do your research so when shit heads cheat your already two steps ahead...

almost evry manufacturer takes advanatge of VVT and such. but like siR and such. you shouldnt see that car with that motor on a track. maybe ill take my glass top crx SiR ballade sport out there next week its only the rarest crx ever right who cares. lmfao

wrong. there are zetec trim levels available with variable valve timing, superchargers... all of which where designed by cosworth. get on the level man do your research so when shit heads cheat your already two steps ahead...

-1fastcrx

Wrong. There is a zetec that came in the SVT Focus model that had Variable CAM Timing. There was never a Focus that came with a factory supercharger. And even if there was it wouldnt be allowed in our class. Trust me, when it comes to Focus' there are few people out there that are more "on the level" than us.

I wouldn't be badmouthing the higher ups of the forums. Nor would I be badmouthing them with poor grammar and punctuation. And I especially wouldn't be badmouthing them when you only have 6 posts under your belt and most have been unreadable gibberish. Kdogg is one of the most well versed people I've ever met when it comes to the Ford Focus.
 
Not trying to start trouble here, but dang dude, pick your battles.
 
You started this thread trying to sell your car. All you said is it's a front runner and it's got a fresh engine and trans. Pictures are especially helpful when trying to sell stuff, lets people know what they're looking at getting into. I personally think 2k is steep for a dirt track car, even with a fresh engine and trans. But that's me, I'm uber cheap.

wrong. there are zetec trim levels available with variable valve timing, superchargers... all of which where designed by cosworth. get on the level man do your research so when shit heads cheat your already two steps ahead...

-1fastcrx

Put down the pipe foo!

  I doubt there's anyone outside a few nut jobs in the UK that have wasted as much time as I have on the Zetec.  

The SVT, the ZX2 and the 98-00 Contour HAD variable cam timing one one cam (intake on the SVT and exhaust on the ZX2/Contour).  The SVT does indeed use this technology for performance (along with a substantial host of other equipment, to net 170 HP) , whereas the ZX2 and Contour used it for emissions control, they had the identical HP/Tq output as the non VCT versions of the Zetec (130/130).  So it is NOT a performance advantage or "cheater technique".  Matter of fact, most every ZX2 or Contour owner that's serious about performance soon switches over to a non VCT head or deletes the VCT so they can use traditional cams.

Bottom line, yes, VCT was on SOME zetecs, but it's not what the name means by any stretch.  

The Zetec is a great motor, torquey, but it's just an old iron block 4 banger.  The honda Z6 makes almost the same power with only 1.6 L and weighs probably 40lbs less as a long block.  

So while I'm quite fond of it, it's not any super secret technology that's "unfair".

And there definitely were never any factory supercharged cars.  The european RS model was factory turbo, and a hell of a car (pants just got very tight), but is rarer than a bag of frog dicks and certainly never sold in this country.  I would also immediately crucify anyone who circle tracked one.
 
Now you wait til I bring a more modern 2.3 Duratec Focus out there - THEN be afraid - be VERY afraid.  lol

Also - Trevor - I understand your frustrations with cheating and large dollar invesments, I totally understand.  

But if you think that street stocks will somehow be the "clean and cheap" version of racing, your sadly mistaken! 

Gauranteed you'll spend 3, 4 times as much per season campaigning one of them vs. a well run F4 team. 

And guess what - when it comes to cheating - now you've got 33 (this season so far) grown men with real budgets and 50+ years of building small block chevys to go against - THERE'S PLENTY of cheating my friend - and WAY deeper pockets than any of us F4 dudes.

THIS IS RACING - any level, any class, any sanctioning body. 

Honestly - Trevor, your doing great!  It sounds like you've had a few mechanical difficulties, but you'll figure it out, we spent the entire first season trying to figure out mechanical shit and really are just now getting everything sorted.  Keep at it - dont give up - your in third!  

The european RS model was factory turbo, and a hell of a car (pants just got very tight), but is rarer than a bag of frog dicks and certainly never sold in this country.  I would also immediately crucify anyone who circle tracked one.
 

-kdogg

I should probably reconsider building that car up for circle track then

Factory turbo/IC.  Torsen LSD.  Sparco seats/wheel/shift knob/ebrake.  Widebody.  OZ wheels.  

*drool*

im not calling anyone out. i was jus goin off what i read on another circle track forum. you guys at massive have hooked it up this year. and know your stuff, obviously you guys like the focuses hence all the talk about them. but i also dont beleive i would spend any less on a street i have alot more than 2 grand into this car. i love this car, hence why it has not been scrapped. but really i know i cant beat three cars out there (no names) its not possible and once another car figures out issues itll be four. cuz they have big motors that make up ground. but technically what hatch honestly came vtec? according to the rules i should be allowed the vtec motor as well. all "stock" motor. and that would give 40 horsepower and you know what then they would ban the crx at wilmot jus like evrywhere else. i jus want the cheating to be fair!!! he who gets vtec in a dx hatch shit a dx hatch came without a tach, only one mirror and a four speed trans in which i envy. cuz you aint gotta shift ;) that car cam mpfi dual point injected. i have been playin wit hondas alot lately. and a stock dx aint gonna compete like they do out here. i jus want it to be even. 

your car is a 1500 dollar car on race junk. it clean runs well. cage seat and harness window net

maybe instead of fighting the cheaters, i shall join them.

are the techs really that bad this year? and whats this about vtec motors not allowed? would a 1993 Honda Prelude with the 2.3l be allowed?